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偶然得知还有 Fundies Say the Darndest Things! 这样的网站,收集网上的基督教原教旨主义者/基要主义者的无知妄语,并像 Quote Database 一样让用户打分,评出最 fundie(来自 fundamentalism/fundamentalist)的话。

我在看 Top 100 Quotes 的时候真是被这些人的脑残、无知、偏见、歧视、自负、狭隘和狂热深深震撼到了。我怒槽满了,所以要发泄一下,把其中的一些精华翻译出来分享给大家。水平有限翻译得不好或有错误请见谅(真的有许多低级错误的)。

One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn’t possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it. [emphasis added]

宇宙中最基本的法则之一就是热力学第二定律,它的内容是,随着时间流逝,熵值总是增加的。任何地方任何人都知道进化论与之相悖。进化论声称我们由简单向复杂发展。这是不可能的:除非在地球之外有一个巨大的能量来源向它提供大量能量。如果有这样一个来源,科学家不可能不知道的。
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[on the sunject of a Bible printing company]

Yes, that is a great company. I bought one of their large print version (old eyes… what can I say?).

The only thing I don’t like about them is they sell foreign language versions of the KJB. I don’t think that’s right. We know the only true translation is the 1600’s version in English.

It’s too risky for anybody to translate that into other languages. Mistakes can creep in… and that can lead to heresy. True Christians should only read English.

[讨论圣经印刷公司的话题]

是的,那是家很棒的公司。我买了他们的大字号印刷本(老花眼…无奈啊)

唯一不喜欢的,就是他们还出售英王钦定本(KJB,King James Bible,詹姆斯一世钦定版圣经)的其他语言版本。我认为这不对。1600年的英文版本应该是唯一正确的译本。

翻译成其它语言太危险了。可能产生错误…可能培养出异端。真正的基督徒应该只读英文的。
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Everyone knows scientists insist on using complex terminology to make it harder for True Christians to refute their claims.

Deoxyribonucleic Acid, for example… sounds impressive, right? But have you ever seen what happens if you put something in acid? It dissolves! If we had all this acid in our cells, we’d all dissolve! So much for the Theory of Evolution, Check MATE!

每个人都知道科学家就喜欢拿复杂的术语唬人
比如说脱氧核糖核酸,听上去很震撼是吧?但是你知道把东西丢到酸里面会怎样吗?溶解!如果我们全身的细胞里面都是这种酸(DNA),我们早就溶解了!进化论就此完蛋,将军!
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If the Bible is wrong when it tells us it is infallible, then it contradicts itself. If it contradicts itself, then it is unreliable. If it is unreliable, then our faith is totally shattered and Christianity is a lie. You need to seriously reconsider your logic.

如果圣经是错的,而它又告诉我们它是无误的,这就自相矛盾了。如果自相矛盾,那它就是不可靠的了。如果它不可靠,那我们的信仰就完全崩坏了,基督教就成了谎言。(这是不可能的,所以)你应该好好检查一下自己的逻辑错误。
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The word of God has been in heaven forever. The KJV has always been there. The so called Hebrew words like Alleluia are English words. The English did not borrow them from the Hebrew but rather the Hebrew borrowed them from the English. If the KJV has always been there and is the original word of God then there is no other conclusion. The same can be said for any so called Greek words that were borrowed from the Greek or transliterated. It is a matter of what bias you approach this particular subject.

上帝之言将永存于天堂。英王钦定本亦如是。所谓的希伯来语词汇,比如“Alleluia(相当于英语中的‘Halleluja’)”,是英语词汇。不是英语从希伯来语中借用词汇,而是希伯来语借用英语的。唯一正确的结论是,记载上帝原话的英王钦定本乃是永存不朽的。那些所谓的英语从希腊语中借用、引入了词汇的说法,和希伯来语的问题一样,都是因为你们有偏见。
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Abbas: What would you say to the man who says that his thought life is private and doesn’t affect anyone else?

Fred: Well, I would say that’s crazy. There’s nothing in the Bible that would lead us to believe that. Christ would never agree with that. I know that some of the times when I was right in the very act of looking at, not pornography, but lingerie ads or some of those things, my wife would run down the stairs because she had just had a dream where she’s being chased by Satan and she couldn’t find me in the dream to protect her. I really think that the effects of my sin were causing my protection to be taken off of her.

阿巴斯:那人说他的思考是属于个人的事情,不影响其他任何人,你怎么看?

弗雷德:嗯,我要说这种想法是疯狂的。圣经中没有地方教导我们要相信这种观点。基督也绝不会同意这种想法。有几次我正在看内衣广告之类的,连色情都算不上的东西,我的妻子会冲下楼,说她刚刚做了个噩梦,撒旦在梦中追赶她而她找不到我的保护。我真的认为是我的原罪导致她失去了我的保护。
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Marriage entitles sexual relations biblically. If the WIFE resists there could be PHYSICAL ABUSE CHARGES (yesterday), but not RAPE biblically because her body is NOT her own after marriage, but the husbands.

That’s like saying you just STOLE something from a store that you legally had paid for in full.

Logic to the contrary is also proof that America has been feminized, sad, but true. Repent ye double minded.

婚姻赋予性关系合乎圣经意义的权利。如果发生性关系时妻子有抗拒,可算作是性虐待,但按圣经的意思不算是强奸,因为结婚之后,她的身体不再属于她自己,而是她的丈夫。

(如果算强奸的话,)这就好像说,你在合法付费之后,从商店里面“偷”了什么东西。

这种矛盾的逻辑证明美国人已经女性化了,真悲哀,但这是事实。为你们的思想动摇忏悔吧。
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What do the other human persons here think ?

No doubt someone will object, saying something obviously ridiculous like, but atheists are persons.

But clearly this is mistaken because anybody without a well developed belief in God is obviously not a full human person.

What could be more obvious than that ?

How many full human persons do you know without a well developed belief in God. Obviously none, because if they were full human person they would have a well developed belief in God.

Now some people might object to killing atheists for there (and obviously it is there and not thier as they are not whos but whats ) organs but think of all the full human persons that would benifit from the organs and the medical research that could be done on these non-persons.

How could anybody object, they are not human persons and if you think we should not kill them then that is just because of out dated ideas and because they must really just want people to suffer. For shame on you !

So what do people think ?

Should we kill these atheist human non-persons for the benifit of fully human persons ?

这里其他的人都是怎么想的?

无疑有的人会提出抗议,说些明显很荒谬的事情,比如无神论者算是人类。

但这明明是错误的,因为任何对上帝没有成熟信仰的人,明显都不能算是人格健全的人类。

还有比这更明显的事情吗?

你们看到过多少对上帝没有成熟信仰又有完整人格的人类?显然一个也没有,因为如果他们人格健全的话,就应该已经对上帝有成熟的信仰了。

现在也许有人反对为了获取无神论者的器官而杀死它们(显然应该是“它们”而不是“他们”,正如应该问是“何物”而非“谁人”),但请想想,利用这些非人类的器官,利用它们进行医学研究,可以造福所有的人格健全的人类。

谁能够反对说它们不是人类?或者,你认为仅凭他们那些过时的想法和执意要让人遭受痛苦折磨的行为,我们还不应杀死他们?真为你感到羞愧!

好了,大家怎么想?

我们是否应该为了有完整人格的真正人类而杀死这些非人类的无神论者?
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In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor.

在我看来,如果发现野生动物(比如天鹅)是同性恋,应该马上毙掉,消毒,然后施舍给穷人。
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[Carl Sagan died after three bone marrow transplants failed to restore his body’s ability to make blood sufficient to sustain life on earth].

Campus Preacher noted: God even had mercy on poor old Carl Pagan. He gave him bone cancer and time to think about it. It obviously didn’t work. Therefore we must conclude, that geniuses like Carl Pagan and others can (Richard Dawkins probably will) and do and did go to Hell.

Is Evolution v. Creation an issue in Hell?

On that subject. It looks like to me God also had mercy on Steven Hawking. God allowed/gave him ALS when he was 21 to get his attention. It didn’t work. Looks like Hawking will go to to Hell too.

[卡尔·萨根在三次骨髓移植手术失败后,因为失去造血机能而逝世]

CampusPreacher:上帝对可怜的老萨根够仁慈了。带给他骨癌,还留时间给他去反思。这显然是无效的。因此我们必须说,即使是卡尔·萨根或其他这样的天才(以后可能包括理查德·道金斯)都会下地狱。

进化论和神创论的争论在地狱中会是问题吗?

在这一点上,对我来说,上帝也向史蒂芬·霍金展现了仁慈。从21岁开始,上帝就用 ALS(Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis,肌萎缩侧索硬化症)给他提醒。这没有奏效。看来霍金也会下地狱。
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[“When you or your family members go to the doctor, do you get antibiotics developed to treat drug-resistant bacteria, or do you insist that because evolution doesn’t exist you should be just fine with the drugs from twenty years ago?”]

Frankly, I would never take an antibiotic; there are far safer and more effective treatments, but all that aside, nothing that you mention above has the slightest connection to evolution. You are propagandising by attempting to mix evolutionism with biochemistry.

[当你或你的家人去看病的时候,你是使用新的抗生素对付抗药细菌,还是坚持说因为进化不存在,所以使用20年前的药物也挺好?]

坦率的说,我绝不会使用抗生素;还有更安全和有效的疗法,不过撇开这些不谈,你上面所说的根本和进化论没关系嘛。你把进化论和生物化学搞混了。
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Masturbation can sometimes be wrong and it can sometimes not. If you masturbate thinking about how pretty the flowers are and how you want a puppy, essentially that’s not wrong. But most times, that is not the case. I believe that when one masturbates a high percentage of the time they are fantasizing about a sexual partner therefore making masturbation lust. Lust, as the Bible states, is a sin. But masturbation is something that people in general should stay away from because it’s hard not to lust whilst doing it.

手淫有时是不对的,有时候就还好。如果手淫的时候你想象的是美丽的花朵,或者是想要可爱的小动物,本质上说这不算错。但大多数时候事情不是这样的。我相信大部分人手淫的时候都是有一个性幻想对象的,这让手淫显得淫荡。而淫荡,在圣经中,是一种原罪。总的来说,人们应该尽量避免手淫,因为很难不同时陷入淫荡的原罪。
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Gravity: Doesn’t exist. If items of mass had any impact of others, then mountains should have people orbiting them. Or the space shuttle in space should have the astronauts orbiting it. Of course, that’s just the tip of the gravity myth. Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull strong enough to keep a planet like neptune or pluto in orbit, but then it’s not strong enough to keep the moon in orbit? Why is that? What I believe is going on here is this: These objects in space have yet to receive mans touch, and thus have no sin to weigh them down. This isn’t the case for earth, where we see the impact of transfered sin to material objects. The more sin, the heavier something is.

重力:那是不存在的。如果有质量的物体对其他物体都有影响,那么人应该会绕山运动。或者宇航员应该会围绕航天飞机飞行。当然,这只是戳穿重力神话的小证据。想想吧。科学家想要我们相信,太阳的重力大到足够让海王星和冥王星围绕它飞行,可同样的重力却不足以让月球进入轨道?那是为什么?我所相信的是这样的:这些太空中的天体还没有被人类触摸过,因此没有传递原罪给它们,所以不会堕落。这和地球上的情况不同,传递原罪给地球上的物质实体,我们可以看见其影响。原罪越多,物体就越重。
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I often debate with evolutionists because I believe that they are narrow mindedly and dogmatically accepting evolution without questioning it. I don’t really care how God did what He did. I know He did it.

我经常和进化论者争辩,因为我认为他们思想狭隘,盲从进化论的教条而从不质疑。我从不关心上帝是怎么做到他所做的事的。我就是知道他做了。
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several million years for a monkey to turn into a man. oh wait thats right. monkeys dont live several million years.

数百万年之前,一只猴子进化成为人类。哦等等,对了,猴子才不会活数百万年呢。
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If your original Hebrew disagrees with my original King James — your original Hebrew is wrong. If your original Hebrew agrees with my original King James, your original Hebrew is right.

如果你的原版希伯来语(圣经)和我的原版英王詹姆士(一世圣经)不一致——你的原版希伯来语(圣经)就是错的。如果你的原版希伯来语(圣经)和我的原版英王詹姆士(一世圣经)一致,你的原版希伯来语(圣经)就是对的。
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Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It’s no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history.

像纳粹德国对付犹太人的那样,自由主义美国也在对付福音派基督徒了。两者没有区别。根本是一回事。它一直不断发生。民主党的国会,自由主义的媒体,想要摧毁基督教的同性恋者都是凶手。大规模的虐待、歧视和最糟糕的偏见现在被引向了美国的任何团体。比历史上任何少数派遭受的苦难都要可怕。
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To say the Bible was written by men and may contain inaccuracies completely contradicts the word of the Bible.

说圣经是人类写的并且有误,这完全和圣经的文字相悖嘛。
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A woman for president is a bad idea. Hillary for president is even worse. Do you think America never had a woman for president by coincidence?

[You can transfer that logic to black people, seeing as there’s been no black presidents – Anyway it’s incredibly insensitive, stupid and unbased.]

As stupid as you think it sounds I totally agree. Blacks should not ever be in positions of power. They should be suppressed back in to slavery.

让女人当总统是个坏主意。让希拉里当总统就更差了。你有没有想过,美国刚好从来没有女人当过总统?

[那你也可以把这个逻辑用在黑人身上,因为也从来没有过黑人总统——反正这是个特没分寸、愚蠢又毫无根据的逻辑]

你觉得愚蠢的,我倒完全同意。黑人永远也不能掌握权力。他们应该被赶回到奴隶制时代的地位。
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Apes are just creatures twisted by Satan to mock Jesus by giving EVILolition credibility. Further more they are naturally lust crazed for human women. Since they are not natural creatures they should be exterminated forthwith as the tools of evil they are.

猿猴是撒旦造出来用以支持进化论、嘲弄上帝的物种。而且他们天生就对人类的女色着迷。它们不是自然物种,所以应该当作罪恶的工具给消灭掉。
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Jesus is not a Jew. Jesus was Jewish.

耶稣不是犹太人。耶稣是犹太教徒。
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The only thing a kid will learn in an American public school is that homosexuality is good, and America is bad. There is no way, under any considerations, circumstances, or conditions, that my kid will attend one of our leftist public brain laundries.

小孩子在美国的公共学校能够学到的唯一一件事就是,同性恋是好的而美国是坏的。要我的孩子接受左翼的公开洗脑?无论如何都没门!
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Muslims countries aren’t as interested in ID because they don’t need to deal with nearly as much atheist scum evolutionists with their evolving mind tricks. All our liberties are allowing the atheists here to destroy our society. George H.W. Bush was intelligent and thoughtful enough to say that atheists shouldn’t really be citizens. Maybe his son will have the intelligence to make a similar point, maybe in his next state of the union adress outlaw evolution. He wouldn’t need to say much, simply something like “every evolutionist is now an enemy of the Republic,” and then explain why. The muslim countries know how to deal with these people(one of the rare things they do right). Why can’t we follow their lead?

穆斯林国家对 ID(Intelligent Design,智慧设计论)没有兴趣,因为他们无须去对付这么多无神论的进化论者渣滓的层出不穷的鬼把戏。我们给了无神论者太多自由来破坏我们的社会。睿智无比的乔治 H.W. 布什说无神论者实在不算是公民。也许他儿子也有同样的智慧来得出这样的观点,也许在他当政期间可以宣布进化论非法。他不需要说太多,简简单单如“如今每个进化论者都是共和国的敌人”,然后解释为什么。穆斯林国家知道怎么解决这些家伙(少数他们做得很对的事情之一)。为什么我们就不能学学呢?
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“Sorry but scientists have just shown that mice DNA is more similar to humans than human DNA. So would evolutionists then declare that humans came from mice? Probably. That’s because most people can’t think for themselves and are confused about reality. That’s why they believe anything scientists say.”

“对不起,科学家刚刚揭示老鼠的 DNA 比人类的 DNA 更接近人类的 DNA。那么进化论者接下来会声称人类从老鼠进化而来?可能吧。那是因为大部分人不会独立思考,被现实弄得晕头转向。那就是为什么他们相信科学家所说的任何事情。”
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all the evolutionists, tell me something. i know how the big bang “has happened, but tell me, wouldnt an explosion, especially one that size, take away life instead of allow it? think about it.

ex: the a-bomb, the h-bomb, grenades, cannon balls (when fired from a cannon of course), mines, rocket launchers, and anything and everything in between. they all have taken lives.

所有的进化论者,给我说说。我知道“大爆炸”曾经发生,但告诉我,一个爆炸——尤其是那么大的——是会夺走还是留存生命?想想吧!

试验过的:原子弹、氢弹、手雷、炮弹(当然是大炮发射的)、地雷、火箭弹以及所有同类。它们都会夺去生命。
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Of-course religious people do bad things sometimes. But at least their religion forces them to acknowledge within themselves the evil they do. Atheists have no such guidance. They are just like psychopaths! Cold, mechanical, soul-dead!

当然,信仰宗教的人有时也会做坏事。但至少他们的宗教让他们承认内心的魔鬼。无神论者就没有这样的引导。他们像精神病患者!冷血、机械、灵魂枯死!
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[This is from a comic that is geared towards teens. This is from the comic on Evolution]

Don’t you know that evolution is basically a racist concept? Some evolutionists still teach that white people evolved from “negroes” who evolved from apes– Meaning “white people are more evolved!”

[这是来自于少年漫画。关于进化论的。]

你不知道进化论基本上是种族主义的概念吗?一些进化论者仍然教授:白人从黑人进化而来,黑人从猿猴进化而来。——也就是说,“白人进化得更加完全!”
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Satan loves homosexuals.. And will usually set them up with good careers in something Satan is in control of i.e.. Entertainment.. any form of the Media.. Satan wants them to grow.. The more homosexuals there are the more souls Satan gets to join in a Furnace of Fire..

撒旦喜欢同性恋者……通常会让他们在撒旦控制的领域得到好的工作……比如说娱乐业……任何形式的媒体业……撒旦希望他们不断发展……同性恋越多,撒旦就能往熔炉中投入更多的灵魂……
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另:在宿遗群里面请教翻译问题的时候,大家显然很有兴致。

比如这一段:
How could anybody object, they are not human persons and if you think we should not kill them then that is just because of out dated ideas and because they must really just want people to suffer. For shame on you !

猫行翻译为:有谁能反对,他们根本不能算人类,或者你认为仅仅凭他们那些老掉牙的想法和一心一意要让人痛苦折磨的行为,我们不能kill他们?

白衣建议翻译为:或者你认为就凭他们那些老掉牙的想法和一心一意要让人痛苦折磨的行为,我们不应该kill他们?

战士的版本是:
怎会有人反对,他们并非人类,
过时观念一堆,执念让人受罪,
是杀是剐难为?为你感到羞愧!

白衣的终版是:
所思俱陈腐,执拗使人苦,
谁人言反对?其类非我族.
杀伐尚难决?羞惭窃为汝.

posted: 2008/01/21
under: 大杂烩, 百无禁忌
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  • nantz

    To say the Bible was written by men and may contain inaccuracies completely contradicts the word of the Bible.

    这叫啥来着 :025: